Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-207.254.224.12-20140717193212/@comment-19765459-20140718021516

Actually, you seem to have forgotten that he smacked around Beta!Derek and manhandled Beta!Scott as well. He was clearly stronger than either of them. He also put his hand right through Derek's torso and then tossed him away like a rag doll. Even Chris and Kate (who have a lot of experiencing battling werewolves) were overcome by his speed and agility. He was able to run as fast as Kate "lead foot" Argent could drive. He was able to shapeshift into a monstrous wolf-creature form that was physically larger than his human form. Peter also had some apparent ability to telepathically connect to Scott, sending him visions of the murder of the bus driver. His roar (like Deucalion's) could force Scott to transform and also diminished his self-control, making it harder for him to restrain himself. Finally, Peter could do the mind meld, and share memories telepathically. He can also retrieve memories, and retains this ability as a Beta, which Derek wanted him to use because Derek did not know how to do it himself (although he had once done so accidentally with Jackson), even though he had become an Alpha. Seems like Peter was pretty powerful to me!

Are we watching the same show? You know, the show where sadistic adults use electricity to torture teenagers? My imagination is nowhere near as dark as that of Jeff and the writing staff! I actually dislike the torture scenes in particular, but Jeff appears to love them because he keeps including them season after season, and as I said, some of the victims have been minors! My theory about the Betas was just simply logic, not dark thoughts. If killing one Beta gives an Alpha a power boost, killing lots of Betas should give you a bigger boost. That's just math, not evil thoughts. Or, at least not my evil thoughts. Deucalion explicitly said that killing one's entire pack was the means to greater power. That's what he told the other Alpha Pack members, and Derek, anyway. So I'm really just following the thread of logic presented by the show.

I did make it clear in my last paragraph that I was "wondering" if that hypothesis was the case. In no way did I present it as canon. Your general hostility towards me causes you to treat all my statements as if I were pretending they're canon, even when I very clearly state that they are speculation. As for the rest of what I said about Deucalion, in what way was it non-canonical? He was more powerful than the other Alpha Pack members. His "demon wolf" form represented a more significant transformation than anything performed by other werewolves except Peter and Talia, who could transform quite a bit more. He was stronger than Derek, Scott and Jennifer by a wide margin. In Jennifer's case he was also resistant to her magic and apparently not disadvantaged by the power she gained from the warrior sacrifices. That is all onscreen canon. The only question is why he was the only one in the Alpha Pack with such powers. Kali and the twins, for example, were easily knocked around by her magic and physical strength. She even broke the merged twins' neck! So Deucalion's extra power had to come from somewhere!

But looping back to the first paragraph of this post, we have seen Peter do things that neither Derek nor the any of the Alpha Pack except Deucalion could do.

So, that's a pretty good measure for judging Scott. Aside from ALL the other Alphas (and lately Betas as well) we've seen being stronger than him, he has not been able to significantly transform more than he could as a Beta from the very beginning. He could only just keep up with Malia in her coyote form. He couldn't even intimidate Mr. Tate's dog (note that Derek showed that he could control dogs as a Beta). He can sometimes force others to shift with his roar, but it is unreliable. He has yet to exhibit any telepathic abilities independently of being coached (by Peter) while doing it. We have no idea if he would be magic resistant, since Jennifer was killed just after he completed ascending. But he was not resistant to her magic as a Beta. Breaking the Mountain Ash circle is the only significant thing he has done. But then in 3b it was shown that the Oni could do this too, so it is not a game-breaking power unique to a True Alpha werewolf.

There is actually plenty of stuff that has been shown onscreen to use as references. You just don't seem to be remembering them.