Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-25184427-20140722165407/@comment-19765459-20140728011945

Grahamburglar wrote:

And, no, the show's not about that. Then it shouldn't be getting praised for it. And if Jeff wants to have that be a part of the world he's constructed for the show, then he would need to put some screen time into it. That's my point. Are we on the same page now? My complaint isn't about what is on the show, what's on the show is fine -- IF we're not going to call it a world without bigotry. Who, exactly, is "consistenly" praising Jeff? I can tell you that it's not gay fans, who are increasingly enraged by Jeff's flagrant gay baiting. The slash fangirls I know are getting angry for much the same reason. We spend plenty of time huddled amongst ourselves and talking to each other about how far short he is falling of the hype.

Jeff may be praising himself certainly, and he obviously has defenders out there as well. But that hardly counts. Gene Roddenberry was notorious for gushing about his utopian future vision on Star Trek, which legions of fans (who still love Trek by the way) have nonetheless deconstructed to where some compare the Federation to Marxism or to some kind of Orwellian police state, as well as racially biased in favor of humans. And some of their arguments are entirely valid.

Even among fans of Teen Wolf, plenty of people have noticed that being black, female and/or unattractive detracts from your odds of survival in Beacon Hills. A common joke in recaps of S3aE9 was that you knew the cop at the beginning was doomed because she was both black and female, and thus basically guaranteed to die within the first few minutes of the episode (which she did).

In S3aE3 we got our first lesbians. Naturally one of them was a druidic sacrifice almost immediately. The other one would in a later episode be revealed as bi for Stiles. Bait And Switch Lesbians. And yes, people did notice and were unhappy!

So I think you are over-estimating the universal praise that you think Jeff is getting. I do think that he brags a bit about what he thinks he's done. But he's also notorious for forgeting things he's done as well. The most famous being that he never realized that Lydia should be uncomfortable around Peter given that the latter mind-raped her in S2. Holland had to point it out to him because he simply forgot (or didn't think it was a big deal).