Board Thread:WARNING ALL USERS False Info\Spoilers/@comment-209.141.131.212-20130709011039/@comment-13899768-20130805200454

BoricuaWolf wrote: Jestermonkey4u wrote: Most of you must realize by now that the story of Paige and Derek was really the story of Paige and Peter. Derek couldn't have been anywhere around at that time. Here are just a few clues along with a link to another site that explains the reasons more in-depth.

Peter played basketball, NOT Derek. The plaid shirt seen on Derek is the same shirt seen on Peter in Abomination. The waist cut jeans and boot fashion ensemble wore by Paige along with "Dereks'" black friends' haircut are from the late 80's to early '90s styling NOT 2004. Dereks license has him born in 1988. IF it were Derek then only 1 year would pass between the death of Paige and him hooking up with Kate Argent. I could go on and on but that is the gist. Here is the link: http://uniwolfwerecorn.tumblr.com/post/56555724414/visionary-dereks-part-in-peters-narrative

I still don’t think the story is about Peter. Of course I could be wrong, but it just doesn’t fit. I think the things that bother people about the Flashback are just what was left out and they’re going too far by saying that it really happened to Peter. I think the biggest problem with the theory is that it doesn’t explain the Flashback itself. Remember Peter’s story and the Flashback do NOT Match. Peter says that he was Derek’s best friend, but in the Flashback he threatens to have Peter banned from the school. Peter says he knows about where Derek and Paige used to make out because Derek told him, but in the Flashback he was sneaking around snooping on them. Peter says he saw Ennis’s beta dying as a profound loss, but the Flashback shows he saw it as an opportunity. Peter says that it was Derek’s idea to turn Paige, but in the Flashback he came up with the idea, tried to convince Derek, and the Flashback never confirms if Derek was ever even in agreement with the plan. The Flashback shows details that Peter could not have possibly known. The first meeting between Derek and Paige. The conversation between Ennis and Style’s Dad. Thalia’s conversation with Derek at the end. It is CLEARLY shown that the Flashback is NOT Peter’s story. So one main question still needs to be answered: if the Flashback is NOT Peter’s version of the story, then WHAT IS IT??? People theorizing that everything actually happened to Peter cannot answer that question. The answer: Styles & Cora heard Peter’s story and the Flashback has to be what ACTUALLY Happened. What the viewer was SUPPOSED to take away from the flashback was PART of the actual story of how Derek’s eyes turned blue AND the fact that Peter lied to Styles & Cora about some of the details. The viewer was provided with more information than what Styles and Cora were. That was the whole point of allowing Peter’s narration to contradict what we actually saw in the Flashback. Jeff Davis just left a lot out of it. But the parts we did see DID happen.

I even went back and read both speculative articles also. Here is my response to all of the points raised the points they raised.

 1)        Derek wouldn’t have fallen for Kate Argent after an experience like that?

Sure he could have. Why not? We’re sure that his relationship with Kate Argent was traumatic, but despite that he got very heavily involved with Jennifer/Darach after basically 1or 2 encounters, and it appeared they barely talked.

 2)        Cora didn’t know about Paige

Why would she? Davis said she was in Brazil for the past 6 years and was not around during the fire. So if she had left before the Derek Paige situation and not returned until the present she had not seen Derek or Peter, so no one would have filled her in and she would have no way of knowing what happened in between. The fact that Cora does not know of the story actually proves for a fact that she does NOT have any knowledge about what was going on when Derek was in high school. So she can’t be used to support or refute anything.

 3)        Peter seems to be too emotionally invested in the story

Agreed. But I think that this has to do with the part of the story that we didn’t see. Mainly I’m speculating (pure conjecture on my part and not proven in the episode) that Peter was also infatuated with Paige. Even if I’m wrong his emotional involvement to the story, it’s not enough to conclude that the story was about Peter as this introduced far more discrepancies than it fixes.

 4)        It seems out of character that Derek would trick Paige into getting bit

Davis said specifically in one of his session that Paul posted here that WE DON’T KNOW IF Derek planned for Paige to get bit. That portion of the story was PURPOSEFULLY LEFT OUT. Remember the flashback is NOT Peter’s story. If it were then in the Flashback Derek would have been the one who came up with the idea AND you would have actually seen him set it up. Instead we saw what REALLY happened. It was PETER’s Idea and we don’t know who set it up or how it was done. If you think about it we don’t even know for sure how much Derek knew about it.

 5)        Fashion

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;">I think Paul addressed that well enough.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">There is one thing that doesn’t make sense about the Flashback and that is Davis using the young Peter. I don’t know why he did that, but like I said making the story about Peter introduces more problems than it fixes. I still don’t buy it.

1) I see what you mean, and it happens all the time in real life. And we've all seen the guy (or girl) that moves on incredibly quickly and puts all those old emotions into someone new. But the thing I think most people are seeing is the fact that we've never seen this side of Adult Derek in the series before. He's always been guarded, with very little emotional scenes. My vote on the whole Jennifer/Derek scenes goes to the power she assumed from the virgin sacrafices (my opinion).

2) She wasn't gone before the fire, she was gone afterwards. Derek said in Chaos Rising, that he hadn't seen her since the fire and presumed she died IN the fire. Therefore, she couldn't have been in South America before the fire, if Derek thought she died.

3) This was a toss-up in my head. I strongly wanted to believe this is Derek's story. But the narration coming from Peter, makes it a little sketchy to me. This, to me, is a huge possibility.

4) I disagree. It's in Paul's recap.
 * Q. Here's a question for Jeff: during visionary, the audience could see the truth of what happened in the flashbacks versus the lies that peter and Gerard were telling the teenagers. Should we then assume that we know everything about the stories that there is to know, or should we be suspicious that there are more details to the memories that were left out and have yet to be revealed?
 * A. I wouldn't assume that you actually saw all of the truth.

Therefore, we don't actually know what really happened.

5) I agree.

6) Not necessarily more problems, just an insight into Peter's head.

That's just my opinion though.