Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-25230571-20150731101948/@comment-26601629-20150817172011

NervousShipper wrote: It is possible to have genuine visions and still be a fraud. Trelawney is a fraud every single time she isn't having an episode.

Time Turners do not allow you to alter events. They make it a point to say that the reason why they are able to do things is because they had already done them. Like the terminator, there is no original timeline. I guess in the general sense of the meaning of the word, then trelawney can be regarded as a fraud, but for predicting the future, she is not a fraud. There are a trillion billion possible futures, the world is kinda like a chain reaction, where every action and inaction no matter how little determines each of our futures, so to be able to predict the correct future is usually virtually impossible( and i'm not talking about vague hero phrophecies, Hero slay bad guy style), even on heroes, does who predicted the future usually had that future changed. So for trelawney to predict the future as many times and specific as she did was amazing, she was not a fraud, and her usual "false prophecy" always seemed to be borne out of her lack of confidence in herself and people's lack of confidence in her, in her serious modes, she has predicted harry hiding in a corridor, and the battle at the astronomy tower.

And your time turner theory again, you mentioned this previously. At no point did they make it a point that they are only able to do "what they had already done". The general rule when using a time turner is don't interfere with your past self, something I believe Rowlings put in, so as to avoid the paradoxes of time travel.

why would that rule be there if they are only able to change what they have already changed. Hermione constantly tells harry not to do anything that will intefere with their past self. I do not remember the details but didn't they essentially change buckbeak's fate (in the books, not the movie).

The time which you are talking about, was Harry saying, I finally understood, and knew I had to do it, because I had already done it., Harry is by no means an authority of the time turner subject. If harry wasn't so stubborn, hermione might have convinced him to stay back and his past self would have been given the dementors kiss, causing the future self to dissapear.

If Time-turners were used for stable time-loops as you once called it, then there wouldn't be any danger in using them and the ministry wouldn't have it being an extremely dangerous item.

Wasn't there a part in the book that talked about someone who used it and ended up being killed by his past self.

Oh and you once asked why it wasn't used by voldemort after he took the ministry, that's because it was destroyed or at least rendered unusable during the battle at the ministry in the fifth book