Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-26674650-20150818215912/@comment-13895380-20150821181708

Sean 175 wrote:

AlphaOfAlphas wrote:

Sean 175 wrote:

AlphaOfAlphas wrote:

Sean 175 wrote:

AlphaOfAlphas wrote:

Sean 175 wrote:

AlphaOfAlphas wrote: Why does Scott look almost dead. We've seen him go pro mode and beat Peter. We've seen him go pro mode and break the first chimera's arm. He looks half dead just from fighting Liam? F*ck this whole Alpha > Beta > Omega thing when a baby beta can beat the crap out of a seasoned True Alpha. Why can't Scott ever stay as strong as we was in the other season finales. :'(  Derek (according to Scott)has already said that Liam is the strongest he's seen at his age, add a full moon(Or super moon), Scott holding back and Scott asthma troubles. It starts to make since as to why Liam would give Scott a run for his money. 😎 The strongest werewolf Derek's seen at his age still was easily restrained by a weakened Derek. Still nowhere near as strong as any Alpha seen so far (except for maybe Scott lol jk jk). Scott will also be much stronger on the super moon. The only thing that makes sense is if Scott is holding back...but why would he hold back to the point where Liam beats him up that badly? It'd be lame if Scott has an asthma attack in the middle of the fight.

As long as Theo gets his ass kicked in the end, I'd be okay with anything. That's because Liam was still struggling for control(he had yet to fully lose control).The fact that Liam is able to even make Scott bleed(Something neither Kincaid or Peter could do with just fist alone) is a testament to his strength. I hope he doesn't have an asthma attack either.

Me too. 😎 You're saying Liam is stronger than Kincaid and Peter? :P Just cause he could make Scott bleed? It was obvious in 3b's scene that Kincaid was beating Scott, Kira, etc. and would have probably killed Scott until the twins came to save the day. Malia, Derek, etc. was shocked by how strong Peter was last season. Peter never used his claws once that fight, so tell me, why would it be necessay for Scott to bleed? It's not like he hasn't before, from smaller things. Kincaid never used his claws either. I think in the promo, or in Lydia's flashback, Liam was seen lunging at Scott with his claws, ready to slash him. In TW, it seems like they forget about blood makeup unless claws or weapons are involved, making it obviously needed. :P

Also, control has nothing to do with it. Derek was straight up stronger than him. Wasn't it Liam's anger that made Derek say that he'd be strong? If you're saying that Liam would have been stronger if he fully losed control, that doesn't convince me much because Derek was already getting weaker. I don't think Liam could beat any other Alpha on the show the way he's going to beat up Scott next episode. I actually think Theo will help him. If we're talking about pure strength wise, then yes. I believe he is stronger. But I still think he would lose to Peter & Kincaid hands down in a fight. My point is though, Despite all the strong blows Scott has took from Peter & Kincaid. He never bled or got bruised. As an alpha, Scott(like Derek...& I guess Peter) has been shown more durable. It would be necessary because fist alone can make people bleed(they really don't need claws or weapons), especially in a (somewhat) brutal fight like Scott & Peter had.

Liam literally paused in his attack on Derek to listen to what stiles had to say, then went back on the attack. Derek was not stronger than Liam. As Derek was literally struggling(look at Derek's facial expression) keep Liam from scratching him. Your probably right about Liam struggling against another alpha. Yup, I can see Theo helping. 😎 Derek was stronger than Liam. In the same scene when Derek says that Liam is strong, and that his anger would make him stronger, Derek easily restrained Liam on the wall, maybe with even one hand. It was the same scene when Derek broke the lacrosse stick, and Liam thought it was his. In the scene where Derek could barely contain Liam, Derek had already lost all his powers.

Wait, you're saying you think Liam could lift more than Kincaid and Peter? Doubt it. Also, did Scott make Peter bleed? No. That's not a good measure of who is stronger. Another example: so many fights, the berserkers just tossed Kira, Liam, etc. around -- they didn't bleed but they clearly lost. Derek still had his werewolf strength(& supposedly his other powers minus the super smell) in that episode. Just cause he was able to lift Liam doesn't mean he was stronger(he did restrain Liam with one hand).

Yes, I believe he could lift more than them. We already know that Scott was holding back throughout most of the fight with Peter, while Peter was giving it his all. We also know that betas (& omegas I'm guessing) are quite durable themselves. It is a good measure(once you think about)of strength. Tossing ain't the same as hitting. 😎 " Just cause he was able to lift Liam doesn't mean he was stronger(he did restrain Liam with one hand)."

I don't get this. It's not that Derek was able to lift Liam. It's that Derek was able to restrain Liam with one hand. You think Liam could have beaten Derek, even then?

I don't even think he was holding back. He just got more focused. Now let me ask you this question: how do you know Scott isn't going to hold back in his fight against Liam? Because he most probably will hold back. He'll hold back a lot more against his own Beta than the monstrous Peter or the evil Kincaid.

As I said again, by your logic, since Scott didn't make Peter bleed, he must not be that strong, since you're saying that Peter is weaker than Liam since Peter didn't make Scott bleed but from the promo, it seems like Liam did (he uses his claws, Peter never did). Tossing is different from hitting, I agree. I should have said slapping them across the face (yes, you can bleed from that), because that's what the berserkers did. Doesn't change anything. They didn't bleed, so I guess the berserkers are actually weak, although they clearly won those fights?

Also, being physically stronger than someone doesn't mean that you're a better fighter.