Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-24.130.28.230-20150721180826/@comment-27547895-20160130220608

AlphaOfAlphas wrote: Paul.rea wrote: AlphaOfAlphas wrote: Paul.rea wrote: Your getting into the weeds here. Let's see if we can carve a path out for you. Deaton, as a longtime druid, is an expert on Mountain Ash and other substances and the various effects it might have on various individuals. If he says only non-supernaturals can cross a mountain ash barrier, as an expert, we believe him.

The hunter's diary is written by different people at different times in history. The information is at times contradictory due to the fact that various individuals at various times would have various levels of expertise. If the show quotes the book, then we can believe the entry being quoted because they wouldn't bother otherwise but the mere fact that something appears in the book doesn't cement its status in canon. Deaton being an expert doesn't mean he's never wrong. And Chris brought Gerard back because he seems to know everything about the supernatural - all the stories, facts, etc. about La Bete. He even knows how to stop the Dread Doctors - specifically knowing their frequency. He knew more than everyone else about the Kanima. You don't think the Argents, who have been protecting humans from supernaturals for years, know about mountain ash just as much as Druids? Surely, they do. They know what species of wolfsbane are most effective against werewolves in certain situations. They know so much about werewolves to the point where I think it was Gerard said that it could be considered scientific. The Argents have been passing down information through the bestiary for centuries. Not once have they said on the show that the bestiary is unreliable. In fact, they always use it as reliable information ever since it was introduced in season 2.

So being a Druid doesn't mean that he's always right, like how being a hunter doesn't mean that they lack knowledge of the supernatural. It should be the opposite, actually, as demonstrated by Gerard and Chris, who are long-time characters used for gaining information about the supernatural.

If the show quotes the book, then we should believe it? Doesn't that also mean that if the show says the bestiary is a book documenting various supernatural creatures, then shouldn't that be fact unless stated otherwise? Is Banshee in the bestiary? I never said the Argents were wrong. I said the mere presence of an individual in their diary doesn't define that individual as supernatural. Then what was the point of you saying that it was written by hunters, all of different levels of expertise, so it's not "end all/be all"? The bestiary is written by the Argents. Were you not implying that the Argents' information isn't as reliable as Deaton? And yeah, I was debating whether being in the bestiary meant that you were supernatural, so I went on its wiki page and found that it said " the Bestiary is a descriptive or anecdotal treatise on the various supernatural animals the Argent family have encountered or of which they have knowledge ". If the show said that it's only about supernaturals, shouldn't we take it to mean that?

Mind you, I totally agreed with you that by Deaton's definition, Lydia is not supernatural, but now that this debate has come back to light, especially because of Lydia's new powers, I've decided to open my mind to the possiblity again, which is why I thought of the bestiary.

I then read the quotes you presented above, and I've found one flaw. We concluded by the quotes that if you are supernatural then by definition, you can't cross mountain ash, but Scott has already done so. Therefore, there are exceptions to this rule, unless Scott is no longer defined as a supernatural. Since Scott defied this rule stated by Deaton, it concludes that it is not fact but merely a firm guideline. It's like how they say that the bite either turns you a werewolf or kills you, but we have the few and RARE exceptions of the kanima and werejaguar. It's more like a rule of thumb. Deaton literally said " It’s a barrier no supernatural creature should be able to cross. " If Scott is a rare exception, it's possible that Lydia can be as well. They also thought that only the kanima can be immune to its own venom, but Lydia was an exception to that too. Seems like she is an exception for everything, LOL. I agree. Just the argument that there are exceptions such as Scott suggest that Deaton's "rule" should not be taken as an absolute. This means that there is one more possibility, that Lydia or banshees are exceptions, not non-supernatural. So, that means that there are now four possibilities that we can think off the tops of our heads:


 * Banshees not supernatural creatures, as defined by the Teen Wolf canon.


 * Banshees are an exception to the mountain ash rule.


 * Deaton misworded, mispoke, explained poorly, or was outright wrong.


 * The scene was just poorly written, without considering banshees.

Now, since there are four possibilities, and that the first is not the only one, that means that stating the first as fact is outright theory, or headcanon. The FACT that this is headcanon is the one thing we can know for sure. It is not reasonably debatable.

Which means that Paul is deleting headcanon posts in the same thread as he has stated headcanon as fact.