Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-544940-20160309130458/@comment-13965604-20160321173404

Godechaud wrote: AlphaOfAlphas wrote: Godechaud wrote:

AlphaOfAlphas wrote: After watching Daredevil Season 2, I remembered that heroes can be really badass without killing people. Daredevil doesn't kill people and he still wins most of his fights. Same thing with Arrow. Batman too. None of them are OP either (well, maybe Batman loool). They all have appropraite struggles with main villains. E.g. there were definitely people who challenged Daredevil -- heck, some may be slightly better than him. Not killing people doesn't make you weak. Winning while not killing people doesn't make you OP. There is a balance, and I hope Scott finds it in Season 6. Yes, that is very true. But while in Scott's case this constant "weakness" bothers me a lot, you cannot compare Arrow, the Flash or Daredevil (actually idk about Daredevil since I haven't watched any Episode after the Pilot) with Teen Wolf. Arrow and the Flash are "main season Network Shows". 24 Epidodes to work with. The main villain is, as in Teen Wolf, someone very powerfull who will only be defeated in the season's finale and to which the hero will lose a couple times before the final Show down. But since the Major Story arc goes over 23-24 episodes, there's time to fill the Story with Little wins. The difference is that those Shows have a lot of villains of the day. One Villain for one Episode, who hasn't necessarily much to do with the season's plot, or at the very most is just one Little peace in a huge puzzle. In Teen Wolf one arc usually goes over 10 episodes... Which makes it very hard to put in those "villains of the day". Um...Season 5 was 20 episodes. Season 3 was technically 24 episodes. Daredevil is 13 episodes per season. Teen Wolf seasons are at least 12 episodes long. So yes, they can be compared. There were many times Scott could have won a fight, but he lost to every Chimera in 5a excepting Belasko (the chimeras were literally villains-of-the-day, same with the assassins in Season 4). Lost to Liam without much of a fight. It's not just season 5. It's ever since he became an Alpha (the irony). His loses to La Bete made total sense but even to then, they used the bs "You're strong but you don't fight with a killer instinct" argument. You don't need to kill to be badass. That's just the point I'm making, using the other characters as examples.

The other characters lose fights to their bad guys as well, but put up much more of a fight, especially when lives are immediately on the line. It's okay for the main bad to lose only at the end. It's fine. It's exactly what happened with Daredevil vs Fisk and Nobu, Arrow vs Malcolm Merlyn, Deathstroke, and Ra's Al Ghul. But they handle Scott's character as a weakling because of his unwillingness to kill.

That's the difference. Daredevil (as an example) fights better and saves more people, but his unwillingness to kill compromises the lives of other people who are endangered by the villains who "don't stay down" (the morality of justice is a HUGE concept in DD Season 2). Scott is also unwilling to kill, but it compromises his ability to directly save people because he apparently still can't use his Alpha strength without killing people (what was the point of season 4 then?). They both have the same morals but they lead to very different outcomes.

Note:  Let me add that Superman is 1000x stronger than Scott but he still taps into his strength to stop foes from  killing  people ,  and he does so  without  killing his foes. So I don't think Scott's untapped potential being nuclear is a good argument after Season 4's aim to address it: "You're not a monster. You're a werewolf." Scott understood the difference, which gave him enough control to escape being a Berserker (the epitome of monstrosity and lack of control) and beat Peter.

@ Lady X

Agreed. I hope he finds the balance, especially if this really is Teen Wolf's last season.

I disagree. While technically you are correct about S3 and S5 having 20-24 episodes, you must split them up in two parts. Especially in Season 3, 3A is about the Alpha Pack, 3B is about the Nogitsune. The two Story arcs are completely seperated (different main villain etc...). In S5 it's not that seperated but still, 5A main villains: dread doctors and Theo, 5B: the beast. So we are back to 10-12 episodes to work with. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you on Scott being weak Thing. You don't need villains of the day to make Scott more interesting and appealing. All I am saying is that you cannot compare TW to Arrow or The Flash.

I agree that you can split s3 into two seasons, but you can't split s5 up. S5 was a cohesive season in itself, just like most other shows. You can't just split it because it's convenient to the argument