Board Thread:WARNING ALL USERS False Info\Spoilers/@comment-14066471-20140114172238/@comment-10280603-20140116172824

DManCO wrote: Yeah, but let's face it, Derek gets his *** handed to him so often that it has become a running a joke. Recappers treat it as a given and a LOT of people got a laugh out it when Derek asked what made Peter, Cora, Ethan and Lydia think he was going to lose his fight with Kali (as a Beta!).

Again, story continuity is a problem here as well. At the end of season two it was indicated that Derek was in a hurry to amass a pack because he knew the Alphas were coming. Okay, fine. Except then what possible benefit does he get from choosing weak-willed and/or emotionally-disturbed teenage Betas? Derek himself is a bit iffy in a fight! Does anyone here seriously think that Isaac, Boyd and Erica were going to be anything other than dog food for Kali, Ennis, Aiden and Ethan? They did not even have a numerical advantage, much less one of strength, intelligence, skill or cunning!

A little time spent trawling the halls of BHHS (since he and every other strange adult/animal/monster can seemingly roam around the place at will) would have turned up some better candidates. Again, start by scrutinizing the lacrosse team and the close associates of the people you already know (would have led him straight to Danny). Unless you're a Sterek shipper, there would not be much more morally dubious about Derek just up and biting Stiles than there was to him targeting a girl recovering from an epileptic seizure in hospital (her ability to give informed consent being dubious under the circumstances) or a victim of child abuse who had just been dumped into an open grave by an unseen monster.

He could have gotten some better quality Betas.

Your answer is in your argument. He was in a hurry. As we've seen pack membership is extremely flakey. He wanted people he could convince to say yes quickly. As morally grey as him asking someone who had seizures and someone who was a victim of  child abuse is he still chose not to force change anyone. If your not gonna force change anyone than its gonna be easier convincing kids who have nothing and feel like itll never get better to choose the bite and possibly death. Also he didn't assume that Jackson was gonna be a dick or that Scott would be that stubborn. Also he plans kinda got interrupted with the whole Kanima Gerard thing which he didn't see coming. With more time who knows what those kids would have become as Isaac has been coming into his own kinda.