Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-26601629-20150721193153/@comment-13895380-20150820000626

T Angelus Ballack wrote: hhhh, good good. Omishire.

3. Deucalion had movement speed in a blur, but he was barely faster than the eye can see, Oliver has tagged things moving that fast with his arrows., Didn't he tag multiple tennis balls shot from a machine at high speed(can't really remember where). Arrow is a smart fighter he doesn't just fight by relying on physical strength, which is what he was trying to teach Barry, he fights using multiple things. There is nothing to stop him from goinf straight for deucalion's eyes, he's been accurate enough to sever an artery(or something) on a man's wrist to leave the wrist paralyzed, so getting the eyes won't be a problem. Flash bangs was what was used against deucalion, and this is a method that Oliver employs frequently. There are different kinds of bows moving at different kinds of speed. The arrow that scott and boyd caught was being shot by Allison who isn't a physical fighter, and the very first bow Oliver tried to use IIRC, was difficult for an average fully grown man to draw, and now arrow uses high-tech bows, didn't cisco say something about it possibly moving at 300 mph, no were on teenwolf is catching that. And catching of the arrows isn't consistent on teen wolf, we have the "average werewolf" like you said being overwhelmed by arrows from allison which prolly isn't moving as fast as olivers. Also Oliver uses a variety of trick arrows, from does that explode on contact, to those with tranquilizers, to those that electrocute, lol even boxing glove arrows. Also Slade overwhelmed arrow first time they fought and only then, and that was understandable since oliver just learnt how to fight, when he fought slade to rescue roy, he was able to temporarily knock him down, he never beat slade with mirakuru, I never said he did, I said he held his own which he did, and in finale, after the cure, he beat Slade, on Lian Yu, Slade punked him(caught him unawares), when they fought in earnest, Thea was just getting in the way, but Oliver still didn't lose, arguments could be made that Oliver was still recovering from Ra's ordeal, and he was especially low on confidence, which is why he went there in the first place. Oliver Straight up beat Grundy(The first mirakuru soldier made) so he's able to hold his own against more physically powerful opponents.

Punches are blunt force, arrow uses arrows, high speed piercing damage and of recent Katana's, along with league armor. What happens if you lop of the dread doctors head, do they die?

2. The Reverse Flash episode, Wells only stopped in order to tell him he was going to die, and vibrating his hand was the only way to pierce through arrows armour, but lets say we agree, but the same argument could be made either way, After arrow shot him with nanotech and Wells was human, why didnt he put an arrow straight through Wells head, because wells is not his villain and wouldn't make a lot of sense if arrow came into flash and took out his main antagonist. Fact is Wells shouldn't have lasted 3 seconds after getting shot up with nanotech.

1.a) It was just a warning I was given, people tend to use that fallacy in arguments, just wanted to make sure. True Vertigo isn't the same as DDs', but you're talking about second Count vertigo, I'm talking of the first, that one straight up incapacitates you, and makes you see things, and Oliver fought through even with that. Yes The magic mushrooms are a deus ex-machina. Hell, someone even mentioned it, Felicity or Diggle (probably felicity knowning her), it's been used for bullet wounds, poison, drug overdose causing hallucination., The pretty much use it for everything.

1.b) You're wrong here, having a disciplined mind has been shown to overcome mind controlling abilities in several fictions, Batman uses this frequently, Harry in a way uses this against the imperious curse, so many different animes. It's the reason why arrow could keep fighting after being overdosed with the original vertigo, and it's why the League's extended brain washing didn't take.

Selene is a no-brainer really. She easily tops everything shown on teen wolf, she took a shotgun blast at point blank range with no effect. She blitz about six or so men in a fraction of a second.

She topples a minivan easily with a bodycheck. The Hybrid she took down will kill everything that moves on Teen Wolf, who do you suppose could handle Markus on teen wolf, even Deucalion Demon Wolf and all seemed to be only as strong as a regular werewolf in underworld. 1. Dude, you just made this argument: " they do not belong to the same universe so rules does not auto transfer to respective universes"...and now you're trying to justify treating vertigo being treated the same as what the DD use? All of those other universes don't matter, as they do not apply to TW universe rules. We clearly know that the DD control isn't just a simple drug, unlike vertigo, cause it works on supernaturals. Pretty sure their hallucination control is an actual result of their electromagnetic powers. So no, you're incredibly wrong here. Nothing in the TW suggests that the DD hallucinations can be defeated simply by will power. And no, I'm talking about both versions. Both versions were not nearly as powerful as the DD's own. Oliver has no chance against it. It's beyond him.

2. Fact is, in a 1v1 fight, Arrow wouldn't have gotten his bow up before Wells killed him. Powers actually DO matter, especially when the character doesn't have any known weaknesses yet (e.g. Dread Doctors). Reverse Flash is on a speed level that Arrow doesn't have a chance against.

3. The average crossbow arrow shoots 300 fps, which is 204 mph. I would expect the Argent's equipment, which is meant to kill werewolves, not dear, would be a lot faster than this. Since Deucalion is a LOT better than the average wolf, I don't think 300 mph would be that bad. Doesn't really matter though, cause Satomi dodged bullets. The average speed of a bullet is around 1700 mph, so a werewolf like Deucalion being able to dodge and even catch Arrow's arrows is VERY reasonable. Heck, MALCOLM straight up caught Arrow's arrow. LOOOOL.

If Thea didn't get in the way, Slade had at least a few chances to kill Oliver. Also, didn't Grundy beat Arrow the first time?

Yes, punches are blunt force and I know that arrows aren't. What's important here is that Arrow uses his fists in close combat, where arrows are not effective.

Arrow would lose. I mean, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM. Saying Arrow could beat one of them is one thing, but are you actually trying to say he could beat all of them? Naw.

P.S. Honestly, it takes so long to write about Deucalion and DD vs Arrow, that I'm not even going to bother talking about Selene.