Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-26601629-20150715192253/@comment-71.236.1.182-20150719101140

T Angelus Ballack wrote: Mgc26133 wrote: Spike wasn't like every other vampire. Even though he had no soul, he always cared. About his mom, about Dru, Angel, Buffy.. Even though he had no soul, no humanity, nothing resembling human within, he fought and risked his life against demons, gods on many occasions. And he remained loyal to her even in her death, fought with Scoobies against creatures, honored her memory.

But even though he cared, he was still a vampire. He liked to kill. But Angel mentored him and made him a monster. Made Spike not just kill, but enjoy it. He taught him to get off on it, which is what he was doing when he killed Wood's mom, or that slayer he killed in China. The guy always loved a challenge, and it's why he was so damn obsessed with Buffy.

But when First triggered Spike, he was none of those. He was neither cold nor monster. First didn't revert him to any state. He simply made him it's puppet, so when triggered with that specific song, he would do anything First would want, whether it is to sire people, attack Andrew, or just kill anything that lives. Spike triggered by First was not Spike. He was a shell. We are led to believe that vampire cannot feel anything close to love, care or any of this, what spike felt towards drusilla was obssession, and for his mother, it was like angel going back for father and sister, his human life would play effect on him as a vampire early on. Angel did mentor him to be more sadistic and not just bloodlusted, but he never made him a monster. He was always one, it's like NervousShipper said, there are different kinds of monsters, even in the whirlwind(or what ever they were called), There was darla the methodical monster, Drusilla, The broken and crazy monster, Spike, the reckless and uncontrollable monster, and Master Angelus, the Sadistic Monster. Angelus was often at odds with spike because he always gave in to his vampiric urges too easily, and didn't enjoy the kill, like angelus did, or plan it like darla did.

Best example of this

Angel: "Reckless as usual" (Making this one up, cannot for the life of me remember what he said)

Spike: "I had a plan,.....a carefully laid out plan"

Angel: "You, a plan?"

Spike: "Yes,.......it was a good plan,"

Angel: "What happened"

Spike: "I got bored"

Spike has always been a slave to his urges, and his obssession usually seemed to stem from the personality he had as a human, to his mom, dru, angelus, buffy(before truly falling for her).

When the first triggered Spike, they brought out william the bloody. The monster he had been trying so desperately to surpress. While, i admit yes that wasn't spike, but that was the monster he could become if he ever lost control. The first just used that monster for his purpose. When I say monster he could become, I dont mean the specific actions he took (those were obviously the Firsts') I meant the beast he became in terms of the raw carnage he could inflict, they didnt make him stronger or anything, they just brought out his primal self and controlled it. Spike has always been a paradox compared to other vampires. As he is a "fool for love" in every poetic sense of the term; his actions, whether good or evil, were most often motivated by his deep affections for either Drusilla or Buffy. He has even called himself "love's bitch" on several occasions, and has been shown in states of self-consuming obsession over both women. But Spike was also a thrill-seeker who had a lust for violence and love for brawling(he even noted that he finds the act of violence to be quite therapeutic).

Now back to the topic. I don't really think Liam looks like angel.

Name: Sean 😎