Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-24732895-20140812060345/@comment-80.42.115.156-20140816151147

JEK wrote: 122.173.250.44 wrote: Read it fully JEK.I guess everyone has his choice. Mine is derek. I did. And I disagree. I expanded on why I disagreed, even gave a few examples, rather than just stating something with no real evidence (I'm talking about Season Two evidence). I don't disagree that Derek was growing into his role, but I also don't think that he was a "good Alpha", just that he was getting better throughout Season 3A (willing to sacrifice himself for his pack on multiple occasions, for example).

In Two, he was pretty awful. Even Derek thought he was awful, towards the end of Season 2. He had one move. The threat, followed by the (attempted) kill. Didn't work out so well for him.

Oh, and this?

" He did not have stiles,Allison,deaton and Lydia to guide him. He just had a manipulative uncle who was hell bent on taking revenge on him."

Peter wasn't "hellbent on taking revenge on him". In fact, just about everything Peter has done (where Derek is concerned) has been helpful. Barring the admittedly shady scene where Peter smiles as Derek gets his Alpha spark sucked out of him to help Cora, but if anyone other than Peter had offered up that info, Derek would have done the same thing. And the other thing?

Deaton offered to be there for him (promised his mother or some such), we just rarely see Derek take him up on that. And the others? They're either oblivious of certain things (such as, the entire supernatural world, Derek's real role in the deaths of their mothers etc), or against him because of the way he acts (slamming people's heads into steering wheels and threatening to rip their throats out with his teeth spring to mind). Derek Hale is a master at losing friends and alienating people. At least he used to be. Scott's the one that made Derek who he is now