Board Thread:Legitimate Canon Questions/@comment-85.180.143.168-20150702014633/@comment-26819589-20150731001641

T Angelus Ballack wrote: Sean 175 wrote:

T Angelus Ballack wrote:

Sean 175 wrote:

Qbanmermaid wrote:

Sean 175 wrote:

T Angelus Ballack wrote:

Sean 175 wrote:

T Angelus Ballack wrote:

Qbanmermaid wrote: Because they always do that. for example when that chimera wolf/ whatever had his claws inside scott & scott was clearly overpowered and got his ass kicked and could not even take a few hits without falling and getting jerked around the place. he could however, resist the claws inside him for a long time, and then break its hand?? SMH... Pretty much this. Teen Wolf is more concerned with making stuff look cool, than allowing it make sense. Maybe, if they focused more on the actual events happening, rathert than doing a slow mo, every 7 monutes, it'd have turned out better It actually does make sense. As whatever the doctors did to the talon wolf guy, juiced him up(I don't know if what he did to Parrish made him any stronger).😎 I think you missed the point here mate, We're saying he was getting over powered by the talon-wolf, and knocked around, then suddenly he just becomes super-stronger than the guy.

An argument people make is, he got serious, maybe that might be true, but the problem with that is. You can hold back your punches, make them less powerful, but what you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT do is hold back your durability. Example, you could fight a 7 year hold and not be serious, so you hold back your punches, but that doesn't mean that 7 year olds punch would send you flying. If Scott was really holding back and pulling punches, the talon-werewolf should barely have been able to move him from the start. Unless you're saying scott is not durable and cannot take his own punches.

Back to my original point, most of those sudden power ups, are just done that way, because they feel it looks cooler. What made you guys think Scott was (or got) super stronger than the guy? They looked even when it came to that part.

The spinning back kick(that made the talon guy head & body turn) & The punch to the face(that made the talon guy grab his jaw) made me think Scott was serious. As far as durability goes, Scott didn't lose consciousness & wasn't bleeding from the attack, makes me think his durability saved him somewhat(durability should allow Scott to handle certain blows not make him the unmovable object). Also, like I pointed out the dread doctors had somehow got the guy juiced up.

we feel ya on the juiced up part. we arent stating he wasn't figthing. it just wasn't doing anything to the talon guy in retrospect it didn't have much effect on him. and yes scott took it but that wasn't even that long of a fight scene and he looked defeated. my point is they always do this scene where the TRUE ALPHA SCOTT miracously finds strenght from within through his alpha power & no matter what happens he uses that strnght and comes back from whatever occured only to EASILY win. its corny to say the least. if he is going to come back and find that power he needed whatever it is. let it be believeble make it look like he really put alot of effort into winning and boucing back not a easy win by twisting his arm or whatever & then saying that corny line like he was bad ass the whole time when he clearly wasn't. that's all im saying. or if its going to be a hard win for scott make it because their both strong taking and dogdin blows.. for example the fight last night with theo, his figthing was INSANE. and it wasnt b/c of strong throwing across rooms or anything like that it was the ELABORATE moves he show cased & he used his feet it was just cool. scott needs to do better. Glad you guys feel me. Okay. The noises the guy made me think it had plenty affect and that he was just shaking them off. It was supposed to be a "he got caught by surprise" hit, but I see what you mean though. I guess it depends on how you look at then, as I thought he was giving an effort. I thought the line was both bad ass and kinda funny(it kinda reminded me of DBZ after goku beat Frieaza). But they tend to do that with a lot of shows (or at least in anime). I loved the fight theo had, especially the part were he twirled that guy around then theo perked up like "yeah I'm that wolf." I don't think Scott needs to do better as I feel he does ok. Also, most of the people Scott has had trouble defeating are people who seem to be veterans(especially when it comes to fighting) in the supernatural world. 😎 lol, this doesn't happen in animes, or at least the good ones, because there is such things as power levels and consistency, if two guys are about equal, and one suddenly becomes much stronger than the other, it is usually because of some power-up, or transformation.

Problem with scott's fight.(The few he actually wins). The fight looks even, like both are taking each other, then scott takes a hit, and then he suddenly becomes more powerful. The peter fight was understandable because he wasn't just suddenly able to tank hits he couldn't before, he was doing a Neo style redirection.

Against talon-wolf(belasko or what's his face), let's say the fight was even, then he got impaled, and then suddenly he wins a fight he was struggling with easily. How is that explained. he just powered up for no reason Power level, consistency,& experience. When two opponents who are equal in power & one suddenly becomes (or seems)much stronger than the other, it is sometimes because of some power-up, transformation, or one of them lacks fighting experience.

There was no real struggle. The talon guy only hit Scott once, then after taking some heavy blows from Scott. He managed to take Scott down. Kira & Theo getting (somewhat) easily defeated (& Talon guy smiling & looking confident) just made the talon guy look greeter than he really was. Imo, Scott didn't power up he just ignored the pain of getting stabbed & his power(according to him) being stolen. Then used super strength(Something that all werewolves at any level seem to have) to break the talon guy's arm. 😎 I said if 2 people are about equal, not have equal power, there's a lot more in fights than power, there's durability, speed, damage soak, stamina, endurance, knowledge. When I say equal, I meant all of this things. even in animes, two people that are equal, when they fight, the one with more experiences, would usually have the edge  for most of the fight, but he doesn't just suddenly become more powerful.

Are you serious on that fight not being a struggle, the talon guy took them 3 or was it 4 on 1, and was clearly having the upper hand. Then eventually took down scott, only for scott to get that look in his eye and lolstomp. That just doesn;t happpen between two people of equal power.

How can we both be fighting equally, no holds barred, and then suddenly after an equal fight, I just One-shot you. It really doesn't happen unless there is a powerup.

Its like having the Smoker vs Vergo fight going the way it was, and then having smoker one-shot for no reason.

We just gonna have to agree to disagree mate.

Werewolves have super-strength huh, could have fooled me.

They've got Enhanced Strength at best.

No-one aside from Deucalion, and maybe peter has shown anything impressive with regards to a strength feat(unless we are considering Malia's outlier) I know you said "about". I was just writing my own intake. Also, doesn't all of that stuff you pointed out fall under power. Damage soak? Isn't that the same thing as durability & endurance? But your right, the one with more experience doesn't suddenly becomes more powerful...but he can look greater than he really is.

Like I said, the Talon guy just looked greater than he really was. The blows he got from Scott made him not only flinch(Kincaid barley flinch when Scot hit him) but groan in pain. He then got attacked by Theo's claws, which made him double over in pain. The only one who really seemed to be struggling was Kira, as she then get no blows(or slashes with her sword) in at all, and she just kept getting bated away. It does happen if one of them manages to catch the other off guard.

If you hit me with a strong punch and I fall back & (I pretend to) seem stunned, your oblivious going to think you got me on the ropes. So it's only natural your going to try and go for a knock out blow, only for me to catch you off guard by dodging & knocking you out with a uppercut. It happens, also I can't believe your a fan of One piece(I thought I was the only one).

Yeah, that's probably for the best.

(IMO)Super stength, supernatural strength, enhanced strength. There all basically the same. Just depends how far their going to be taken.

Deucalion (IMO) doesn't count as he was basically on steroids(not to take anything from him though). Peter has shown us nothing (as betas & Alphas)Scott & Derek couldn't do. No,Malia has only showed us that she is a skilled fighter(when she fought Tracy). 😎