Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-26781694-20160309171151/@comment-27565137-20160520004133

Godechaud wrote: Am I the only one who thinks an actual pack can only be joined by werewolves? I feel like when they talk about humans etc being in the pack, pack is used in a larger sense. Stiles and maybe Mason are welcomed, they belong to the "group", their opinion is valued as is their involvment and their help. BUT to me, they aren't real pack members since I never noticed the connection wolves have between Scott and Stiles for example. When Scott as the Alpha roars, it Triggers something in his betas, pack members "feed" of each other, they give each other strengh. The larger the pack, the stronger the individual werewolve. In my opinion humans don't share that Connection which leads me to think that they aren't "real" pack members. Has I see it. Malia, Stiles, Mason and Lydia are just part of the in crowd. But not actually part of the pack. They're more like part of the group.

For example. When Isaac switched teams and chose Scott over Derek, Issac became Scott Beta, although not created by him, but there was definitely a connection there. Like when they were tracking Malia and Isaac got his leg injured in the trap, he initially was unable to free himself. But when Scott used the Alpha roar to force Malia back into her human form, Isaac got a power boost from Scott.

And ever since then, the only one we've seen affected by Scott presence and state of health was Liam.

Yes. We got that one time moment when Stiles was trapped in that mind game with the Nogitsune and Scott roar was the only thing that broke the transe. Because Lydia asked before "How do pack of wolves communicate through long distancies?" which gave Scott the idea of using his roar. And of course a lot of people jumped the gun, and of course Stiles and basically everyone else was part of Scott pack.

But that's the producers painting a pretty picture. After all, Scott and Derek eventually grew beyond their differences and became friends, but still Scott had no effect over Derek or him over Scott. Even after Derek lost his alpha power.

So following werewolves pack rules. The only current real pack members are Liam and Hayden. All the others are friends and allies.

Malia for the most part she was the most outside member of the group this season. And if it hadn't been for Stiles quick intervention, she'd be dead by now, or worst.

Stiles grew. But Stiles always grows. In every season he's gown. Mostly because of himself. The choices he made that lead him to that point. In many ways more than Scott. Just like Stiles in the beginning of the season 5, I too thought of Theo with serious suspicion. Just that smug smile on his face made me not like him from the start. And Stiles was right, when Scott accused him of always suspecting everyone, when he answered back "And why do you always trust everyone!?"

Lydia. We never saw any sign or hint, that I remember, of her growing stronger just because Scott was near (this includes Stiles and Malia). She for the most part has been learning about herself through experience.

Mason. Well. He definitely wasn't affected by Scott being a werewolf and alpha at that. He mostly got throwned into the supernatural world because of his friendship with Liam. If he really was part of Scott pack, like some believe he's now. Then Scott wouldn't have needed Lydia to shout Mason's name. All Scott had to do, if Mason was really part of his pack, would be to use his alpha roar and Mason would've broken free of the Beast control. Just like Peter in season one, forced Scott to turn into a werewolf and have him attack Allison, Lydia and Jackson.

And Parrish. Don't even need to get into that. Parrish is definitely not pack.

All that's left are Liam, Hayden and Isaac (if he ever were to return).

Has for Scott power issues. Let's face it. He's the most unstable Alpha I ever saw. In terms of power. He always had problems with his powers, more so when he became an alpha. Either because of that ritual he, Stiles and Allison, made to find their parents, and the consequences sometime afterwards, were he started seeing himself into wolf-man form through his shadow. When facing the berserkers. And after reading the book about the Dread Doctors, that got him seeing flashbacks of his childhood and that brought back his asthma crises. And also later on affected his healing ability. Which by the way, all went conveniently away, after he got his friends back together.