Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-24439517-20150809092415/@comment-13895380-20150811165845

Sean 175 wrote:

Godechaud wrote:

AlphaOfAlphas wrote:

Godechaud wrote: If we're seriously going to discuss who beats whom, we must consider a little more details...

I don't agree that we can't compare werewolves to a nogitsune or ONI. Especially since they all actually fought against each other during the show.

Eventhough Kanimas and Berserkers are unbelievably strong and most of the time are no match to our Teen Wolf werewolves, to me they're not "the strongest" because they are weapons. They do not have a free will. To me this point is very important. I am not sure that if you attacked a berserker with his master being too far away or whatever, he would actually defend himself. As for the Kanima, if I am correct, it wouldn't even transform if not ordered to do so. So yes they are way stronger and deadlier than a werewolf, BUT they are weapons of someone else and would probably not harm you if not ordered. The same goes for the ONI.

So I too would say that the Alpha werewolf is the strongest, eventhough the mindtricks of the nogitsune must not be underestimated... IMO, Berserkers aren't mindless beings in the sense that they won't do anything unless they have a master. I think that what happens is that Kate could control them, not that they can't do anything unless they are controlled. They only listened to Kate. They would have killed Chris if Kate didn't tell them not to. I'm sure they would kill anything else unless Kate told them not to either. Plus, there were scenes when the Berserkers were there but Kate wasn't, so the far distance of their leader doesn't make them shut down.

Remember, they fight with the ferocity of bears -- berserk people in general are people who go in a frenzy and destroy everything in their path. They don't just stand there and wait for orders. Maybe (most likely, judging from Chris's story in Season 2 or 3) Berserkers in Teen Wolf would act the same way -- destroying everything in their path until they have a leader that could control them. Only their monster mindset is left, which is the point of why Scott was turned into a Berserker in the finale and Liam had to say "You're not a monster. You're a werewolf." to trigger his human nature once again.

Also, I think Jackson transformed into the Kanima before he found Matt. I think a Kanima would actually search for a new master if it doesn't have one, meaning that it can transform into a Kanima by itself. I'm not too sure though.

Nevertheless, this is about the hypothetical of if they were to fight, not if they can or will. So we have to establish the conditions that they are able to fight, not if Kate will let them or if the Kanima Master will let a Kanima fight them.

You make some good points. I must disagree with your conclusion though. We're still talking about the TW universe. So eventhough this discussion is purely hypothetical, we must think within the TW reference frame.

You mentioned the Berserker about to kill Chris Argent. Yes he would have killed him, but because Chris was in the way, and the Berserkers had orders, the Berserker wasn't there of his own free will to begin with. Only when Kate realized that Chris was involved she called back the Berserker. It is true that Chris told the story of some kids that wore bearskin and transformed into aggressive mindless beasts. The thing is  everything we've seen in the last season contradicts this story. Kate said that the first two Berserkes actually just appeared, she didn't create them, call them... They just showed up and served her. So in this case they are actually only following orders. To me its just one of the many inconsistencies of the show. From what I've seen last year, they simply serve as weapons or guards. It is possible, but this is just speculation, that a Berserker can follow orders previously given to him even when theirs masters not around (if i recall correctly they attacked the school on their own, eventhough we actually don't know if Kate was nearby or not.

Scott actually was following orders aswell as a Berserker. He had order to kill his friends! Liam said that sentence (which was first said by Scott to Liam when he pulled him out of the pit) to Scott in order to remind his former self who he actually is, I think he wanted to wake Scott inside. Kate actually said when she got to the temple. The berserkers were already there. Personally I don't think it's an inconsistency, since we don't know much about Berserkers. As it could be a natural instinct for a berserker to follow orders from a wereJaguar(the bone woman) no matter the ritual. 😎 What's your point? It still doesn't mean they'll just stand there until they get orders. They'd be the most peaceful creatures ever if they just stand there unless a werejaguar is around.