Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-26011812-20150130115942/@comment-10280603-20150223062559

NiklausHopeHayley wrote: Bigwolfonbase wrote: AlphaKen wrote: 210.56.96.242 wrote: To be honest with you,derek was not a killer type of alpha too. I did not find derek weak in any way. And what you saw between ennis and scott was just a brief collision. It was just to show that scott was reaching up to the level of an alpha. In no sense did it mean that scott equals ennis in terms of strength. If you saw that scene then you must have been aware of the fact that he got a hell lot of pain on his chest after that collision and ge struggled to get up before slashing ennis on the leg(do watch the scene again,you will get what i am talking about). He was literally unable to stand and was clutching his chest the whole time. Peter maybe knowledgable but throughout the fight he dominated scott on the basis of strength. Not technique or training as for that matter. Also peter spent a lot of his years in coma so i would not classify him as that trained werewolf mixed martial arts like derek. Scott may not have been an alpha for long,but correct me if i an wrong,derek displayed sheer strength and brutality of an alpha right from the start of his reign. He was new to the status at that time too. Deucalion wasnt threatened by scott in any way. He just found scott a special and unique werewolf who unlike other alphas,wasnt stealing power from others but merely rising on will power and strength of character. He saw a perfection in scott and wanted him only for the fact that he was the rarest of alphas. Jennifer herself mention in the 10th episode of season 3a that deucalion wanted a pack of perfection, and that scott is perfect in the way he doesnt have to steal power. I doubt deucalion was in any way afraid of scott or felt threatened by him. His sole purpose was to conquer scott or destroy him. If there is one thing i accept with what you said in your statements,it is that scott's form in monstrous was pretty badass. He seemed strong and all but there is a problem. You cant merely classify strength on the basis of losing control. By strength and fighting skills i usually mean transforming to your werewolf form but at the same time staying in control and not under the influence of the moon or losing control. If we had to classify strength on losing control,in that case every werewolf(or alpha as in this case) who loses control should be a badass. Derek,ennis,kali,satomi could lose control and become like peter and scott(in monstrous) too and this ability is not unique. Infact,i respect derek the most and he is my favourite mainly because of the fact that he has displayed the most strength(alpha and beta) and never lost control. He is always in control, plus he handled himself as an alpha pretty well against the alpha pack and kali and deucalion won only because it was an uneven fight and they had killed alot of betas to reach to a higher power level. If they were average alphas like him,derek would have won for sure Dude. not to be a dick or anything, but if you wanna quote lines from the episodes, you're wrong.

Deucalion himself Said to Braeden in episode 3x01 "Tattoo" that he was aware of a certain "potential threat" meaning Scott. and in episode 3x09 "The Girl Who Knew Too Much" when Scott went to Morell she also tells Scott Deucalion is threatened and intrigued by Scott and his potential to be a True alpha, while I won't deny what you said that Deucalion wanted Scott in his pack because he was a True Alpha and that Jennier said he wants Perfection, everything else I just wrote is cannon material straight from the show. and also as for Scott getting his ass beat by Ennis, I'll agree, he got messed up pretty bad, but Scott faired well against an alpha, who killed his whole pack, and a Beta managed to have equal footing with him, You mean to tell me it's not impressive, that a teenage Beta werewolf, was able to hold his own even for 10 seconds, against a Experienced older Alpha werewolf, who's power came from most of the pack members he killed? I'm just saying....and Peter was in a coma, and gone for years and I never said anything about being well trained or martial arts? I said he's a Knowledgable werewolf who happens to be part of the Hale bloodline, which is apparently a pretty popular name in the werewolves, who was brother to the infamous Talia Hale, Like come on man, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but this is pretty basic info straight from the show. and as for Derek being a bad ass powerful Alpha from the start, you again have to take into account, he's already an experience werewolf! a born wolf at that! he was already a pretty well trained wolf, becoming an Alpha just heightened his abilites! I won't lie, Scott is my favorite character and I will admit when I am wrong, but everything I've said for the MOST PART is straight from the show, and one last thing, you're right about Scott not wanting to use his full wolf power and tap into his beast side, more cause he is scared to lose control, and that we can't judge his power based on the look of his form alone, but what he saw, was just a small tease of what he's capable of turning into....I think Scott has had his ups and downs as an Alpha, there's no denying that...but I think he's still evolving and we haven't seen the full outcome of what he can do. Just my 2 cents. again, not intending to be an asshole... I think honestly what people are trying to get at is this whole true alpha thing got blown out of proportion. Yes scott will come into his power as his confidence grows but it will only be the power that any alpha has the potential of getting. People seem to think that being a true alpha comes with all kinds of extra bells and whistles but the extra bells and whistles was the ability to raise to become an Alpha in the first place. As for him threatning Deucalion, scott seems to have an issue with threatning people who have previously whooped his ass. Remember after his fight with kincaid. He got stomped the twins had to bail him out and what does he say. Kincaid knows "We're dangerous"... At that time scott was barely more dangerous than a puppy. As for the Hale name being special. That was implied 1 time by beta who was on hale territory because Talia could fully shift. We've been giving no other indication that Hales are anymore special than any other wolf. As for that massive fight 1 thing i think people are forgetting is that the Alpha pack wasnt actively trying to kill them. Deucalion wanted Derek to kill one of his own pack or to have scott perhaps kill a member of his alpha pack. All in all Scott has done 2 impressive things since becoming a true alpha. The first being breaking the mountain ash barrier "which we dont know if he can repeat or if it was something more done for effect of showing his ascension" fyi i also have this same theory for Derek ripping that berzerkers head apart... The other thing weve seen is scott with that thermal cut wire. Besides that Scott has shown no other exceptional powers that would be beyond an regular Alpha and we dont even know if the thermal cut wire thing really counts as we've never seen it used on any other alpha. Beating peter doesnt count as exceptional as from the mythos of the show an Alpha should be able to take any beta and scott had already lost a fight to a beta. Dude don't forget about the part where he was electrocuted and yet he was able to shift and break free from his chains, something that no other wolf has ever been able to do. And after he did that, Araya said that "now she knows what kind of Alpha Scott is", implying that it has something to do with his True Alpha status. 1 we haven't seen any other Alpha tied up and electroctuted so that is irrelevant much like the thermal cut wire. Also saying that her statement implies anything about his true alpha status is conjecture. No where in the entire episode is he true alpha status mentioned or implied or hinted at. The only thing that can be implied from that is her following statement which was when you turn someone ill come after you. Which implies she believed scott to be the kinda alpha that would turn someone.