Board Thread:False Info and Speculative Discussion/@comment-24439517-20150809092415/@comment-13895380-20150810135323

Godechaud wrote: If we're seriously going to discuss who beats whom, we must consider a little more details...

I don't agree that we can't compare werewolves to a nogitsune or ONI. Especially since they all actually fought against each other during the show.

Eventhough Kanimas and Berserkers are unbelievably strong and most of the time are no match to our Teen Wolf werewolves, to me they're not "the strongest" because they are weapons. They do not have a free will. To me this point is very important. I am not sure that if you attacked a berserker with his master being too far away or whatever, he would actually defend himself. As for the Kanima, if I am correct, it wouldn't even transform if not ordered to do so. So yes they are way stronger and deadlier than a werewolf, BUT they are weapons of someone else and would probably not harm you if not ordered. The same goes for the ONI.

So I too would say that the Alpha werewolf is the strongest, eventhough the mindtricks of the nogitsune must not be underestimated... IMO, Berserkers aren't mindless beings in the sense that they won't do anything unless they have a master. I think that what happens is that Kate could control them, not that they can't do anything unless they are controlled. They only listened to Kate. They would have killed Chris if Kate didn't tell them not to. I'm sure they would kill anything else unless Kate told them not to either. Plus, there were scenes when the Berserkers were there but Kate wasn't, so the far distance of their leader doesn't make them shut down.

Remember, they fight with the ferocity of bears -- berserk people in general are people who go in a frenzy and destroy everything in their path. They don't just stand there and wait for orders. Maybe (most likely, judging from Chris's story in Season 2) Berserkers in Teen Wolf would act the same way -- destroying everything in their path until they have a leader that could control them. Only their monster mindset is left, which is the point of why Scott was turned into a Berserker in the finale and Liam had to say "You're not a monster. You're a werewolf." to trigger his human nature once again.

Also, I think Jackson transformed into the Kanima before he found Matt. I think a Kanima would actually search for a new master if it doesn't have one, meaning that it can transform into a Kanima by itself. I'm not too sure though.

Nevertheless, this is about the hypothetical of if they were to fight, not if they can or will. So we have to establish the conditions that they are able to fight, not if Kate will let them or if the Kanima Master will let a Kanima fight them.