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Justiee. wrote: also what exactly makes a character (who's not a villain) problematic?? im not even trying to be rude or anything, i just really want to know what problematic means in your book.

also stiles is irrelevant. it's called "teen wolf" not "teen human with supernatural friends"

i would rather see kira's story of being a lightning kitsune and how she's gonna get rid of her fox taking over, than stiles pursuing a career in social justice.

Racism, sexism, violence against other characters for no reason. That's problematic. Man, I really was trying not to do this but...

A dog joke to a werewolf doesn't make the cut, since a werewolf isn't a race. It's a common trope that hurts no one. As for your other example of shiftiness, his incredibly mortal father was in the hospital because Scott trusted some asshat they knew years ago over Stiles. If you don't think you would act the same way in Stiles situation, I've gotta tell you, you're lying to yourself.

Sarcasm is ALWAYS at the expense of others. I can't think of a single time it isn't. Stiles is no angel, and it was a low blow that I was shocked about when he made that crack at Isaac, but it's the nature of sarcasm to be kind of insensitive sometimes. As for the Liam comment, that's not really sarcasm so much as a tactless way to state a fact.

Yes, Stiles really thinks Lydia goddess of feels and red hair can't handle anything on her own. Not. Cite me an example.

You're just full of shit or not watching the show if you think he has had no character growth. He's had more than Scott.

I don't see anything he has to apologize for. A victim (yes, he was a victim of Donovan) does not have to apologize for being ashamed of what happened and not talking about it. Theo wiggled his ass into the group because NO ONE LISTENED TO STILES. Stiles repeatedly told them and showed his blatant distrust of Theo throughout the entire season. Thw only thing I can think you're referring to as him 'allowing' anything involving Theo was when he went with Theo on the stake out, which was outright said because he didn't trust Theo. Or maybe you're upset he decided to help his dad instead of Scott in the mid season? The 'pack' isn't a cohesive unit, and Stiles has no power over anyone else.

True Alpha comment, yes, he was justifying his actions because he's human, and makes mistake. Oh so horrible. A realistic person saying a realistic thing to a person he looks at as pretty fucking perfect.

He hasn't been obsessed with Lydia for years in our time (oh look, character growth!) more than a year in the show. So... Once somewhat problematic, but no more.